Tuesday, January 3, 2012

TBMs, anti-Mormons and beliefs

Sometimes I really laugh at how Google connects people to my blog. Most of the people that end up here are Mormon in one form or another. One particular search that cracks me up a bit is when people will search things like “anti-Mormon” or like today “anti-LDS blogs”. They end up on my blog because of a pretty unremarkable post that I titled “That’s right folks my blog is ‘anti-Mormon’lit”.

More often than not “anti-Mormon” is a cultural label that believing Mormons slap onto apostates, heretics or anyone that says anything critical of the church at all. Many of the people that end up getting labeled anti-Mormon really and truly aren't... Many blogs that would be considered "anti-Mormon" will NEVER show up on a google search because most people writing such things don't view themselves that way so the word "anti-Mormon" will not link to their blog. 

I personally really hate the term anti-Mormon because whenever it has been applied to me it hurt and it did not fit. Just because I left the church does not mean that I hate it (most of the time). Just because I left the church does not mean that I don't see good and valuable things in the church. Yet that is what the term anti-Mormon seems to indicate... 

One of the problems with religious belief in general, not just Mormon religious belief, is what Dawkins hits on in The God Delusion. Religious belief is not up for questioning. It is not something that you can comment on or talk about without someone getting upset. They often get upset even when you were not hostile or targeting people. Simply by targeting ideas or targeting beliefs and being critical of those, people assume that you are angry, “negative” or attacking them personally. Perceived personal attacks often elicit personal attacks in return. Thus discussing the religion in mixed groups of belief levels almost always results in someone feeling hurt.

I remember that mentality. When I believed anything negative said about the church felt like an attack on me myself. It happens because those beliefs become such a integral part of your idea of yourself. You are the church. The church is you. Saying something critical about the church felt like someone saying something critical about you. When I remember that I can feel a bit better about the actions and reactions of people on forums. (I also have to remind myself that often those that have left the church probably fuel those conversations too because after leaving belief behind we still retain a need sometimes to “set the record straight” and testify of our new found truths and ideas… We are all, both sides, a little overzealous at times and that is unfortunate.)

I sometimes feel that the ex/post/uncorrelated Mormon’s equivalent comeback when being confronted with the word “anti-Mormon” is to refer to someone as a TBM (true believing Mormon). I have used the phrase TBM for quite awhile and never thought anything of it. To me it expressed a person’s belief level, but over the months and years I have started to see that it could be an insulting word. People have pointed out that TBM seems to imply blind belief.

Much of the research I have very casually read seems to indicate that we don’t choose our beliefs. The most fervent believer did not choose to be that way. On the flip-side of that many an ex-Mormon describes their unbelief as being a "loss of belief" NOT as a deliberate action or goal, but more as a process of uncovering truths that drove their belief out. Belief in the Mo-world seem to be more of a result of what information you did or did not get or how well you fit into the prescribed Mormon mold. The mold is true if you fit it, if you don't fit it you end up searching a bit and often find a new mold...

Belief or lack thereof seems to more or less result from experiences and environment. Not to say that we can’t control those things to one degree or another. We choose what books we read. We choose to go or not go to church and all of those things are things that are going to expose us to things that influence our beliefs. 

Some battles between TBM and anti-Mormons really just start to feel circular afterawhile and could really, no matter what the topic of discussion starts out being, comes down to an argument of "I believe" vs. "I don't believe". That is not really a discussion at all. 

In some ways it is starting to seem strange to me to argue with each other especially if research shows that we don’t really directly control our own beliefs at all. Why the need to defend positions that we ultimately did not choose or did not earn? Most of us, our faith or lack thereof just sort of happened to us and we are left to deal with it and sort it out on our own. 

I feel a need to embrace my Unitarian beliefs a little bit more and leave behind this TBM vs. anti-Mormon battle. I need to prioritize people over their beliefs (and over my beliefs) and try and see the good and positive in them as a person whether I agree with them or not. I lament that our brain likes labels so much. Often the moment we place a label on someone else or even when we label ourselves it means we have already decided a whole host of things about that person that may or may not be true... I don’t have to agree with their beliefs, but I should strive to understand and love the person. 

15 comments:

  1. Loved this post.

    I guess one issue is that, notwithstanding the research, many people believe that belief is chosen. I think this is especially the case in Mormonism, where agency and free will are paramount concepts.

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  2. That is so true! I had not even thought of that. Agency absolutely provides the idea that we do in fact choose... Really the idea of agency or the idea of free will are things that people don't like to question. Its scary to think that you don't actually control much of what you think you control...

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  3. I was just thinking about this even more... Even after leaving people still rely on that idea of agency and free will. We gravitate towards movies like the Matix and brag about choosing the red pill, or we are Truman from the Truman Show valiantly choosing to walk out the door of his fake world... We do tend to think that we chose our disbelief.

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  4. It is choice to think about religion/ faith more rationally or whether to take things on faith. Once truth is discovered, then you can chose whether it matters to you or not- what you will do with the knowledge/ truth you've gotten. So in a small way there is a choice. Take apologists, I don't know if they believe what they say because some of it is so far fetched, BUT if they say so then they lose their job, public face, fame, friendship, family [relationships], etc. Those can be some rather powerful tools.

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  5. Even after leaving people still rely on that idea of agency and free will. We gravitate towards movies like the Matix and brag about choosing the red pill, or we are Truman from the Truman Show valiantly choosing to walk out the door of his fake world... We do tend to think that we chose our disbelief.

    This is also something I've seen in some of the exmo circles. I hate to phrase it this way, because it sounds so cliche, but sometimes people on the exmo side can really be just like people on the believing side -- except they believe different things, of course.

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  6. I suppose I could wear the TBM label, but I really don't like it because my sister uses it with a tone of disgust.

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  7. I really dislike the way Mormons are encouraged to use the term "anti-Mormon" as well because it really does reinforce the us vs. them mentality. Practising Mormons would look at you funny if you used the term "post-Mormon" in front of them. The term implies that there is a world outside that doesn't revolve around what they know, which isn't something I considered in my TBM days.

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  8. @Andrew - I've seen that in myself on more than one occasion. I still have the same thought processes and so still approach things the same way. (ie - Black and white thinking, us vs. them thinking, etc)

    @Marie - :)

    @Molly - It really might be an exposure thing... I had never heard the term post-Mormon before leaving. Like you said though,even having never heard the term before, the thought that someone could outgrow the "true" church would not have made any sense at all.

    I hate the us vs. them mentality (yet I do things that establish it too)...

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  9. Damn I love your brain. I really do. You are brilliant, and an amazing writer. Thank you for your intelligent insights. You often say in words what I've been thinking, but never materialized much beyond semi conscious thoughts. Your like my own personal brain whisperer!!!

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  10. *you're like...

    I really do know english.

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  11. @Emily - I'm seriously blushing. Thank you! "Brain whisperer" that is awesome.

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  12. Great post! Labels do get in the way of really understanding and connecting with people, yet we can't seem to escape them. I think they serve an important brain function, one which may be more suited to functions like survival than compassion - that of making very quick decisions about what constitutes another person. Perhaps as a species we will never completely escape the tendency to label others, but we might remember that all of us are complex individuals to which many many labels might apply. Part of the problem of labeling others is placing higher value on one label more than another, forgetting the other facets of a person's life, and then thinking that we have someone figured out because we know one major attribute about them...

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  13. I had not even made that connection - of course labels are all weighted differently. That's so true.

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  14. I think the problem is that people have deep, spiritual experiences -- what the pagan / otherkin community called Unverified Personal Gnosis -- which the LDS church organization tells them are a sign that Mormonism is true.

    This entangles all of Mormonism's truth claims with their deeply personal connections with God, with family, and with what they call the Spirit.

    Then on the other side, many post-Mormons have never felt the Spirit or had any spiritual experiences or UPG of any kind, and so they assume no one else has and everyone's making it up. They think you can argue someone out of their delusional beliefs, and they don't understand how deep the hold the church has on them is.

    I'm extremely fortunate in that I had powerful, spiritual experiences that saved me from Mormonism. I had a near-death experience tell me I wouldn't go to the Telestial Kingdom if I killed myself, and when I was starting to panic from questioning my beliefs I felt "God's" personal love for me very strongly.

    I worship her as the Shinto goddess Inari now, and it's been extremely rewarding to find out what path makes the most sense to me. It's also been very rewarding to recognize the difference between what I learn from UPG and what I learn from my external senses ... to not try to rely on "science" or my senses to decide what my gender identity or spirituality should be, and to not try to rely on UPG to learn who the principal ancestors of First Nations people are.

    I think as long as anyone doesn't recognize the difference between the two -- and the value of both -- it's impossible to have a conversation with them about the merits of either. Or the danger of basing your whole identity on a religion that makes truth claims which can be proven false.

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  15. I agree Taryn. We are trained to see our spiritual experiences as being inseparably linked to Mormonism and it becomes a kind self-fulfilling little circle... So destructive.

    Your journey out sounds very interesting.

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